Thursday, 05 November, 2009

1. By Mean Jean. Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @04:10pm:

   There will be a military press conference at 6:30 EST.
2. By Barack. Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @04:11pm:

   Remember - Islam is a Religion of Peace!
3. By Mean Jean. Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @04:37pm:

   He was a psychiatrist.
4. By . Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @04:50pm:

   Barak, what the hell is wrong with you?
   how divorced from reality can you get?
5. By Barack. Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @04:54pm:

   While President Barack Obama (D) was busy praising Islam as a religion of peace worthy of "mutual interest and mutual respect" at a dinner in honor of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan. He said it so it must be true.
6. By Minderbinder. Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @05:29pm:

   So if one Christian goes berserk, I suppose we can consider it a religion of hatred and intolerace? Barack, get in the idiot line, right behind scot.
7. By Hans. Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @05:30pm:

   Why are you assuming that the shooter's religion had anything to do with this?
   Maybe he did it because his girlfriend just cheated on him, or because he was a crack head, or because he was a psychiatrist, or because he was left handed, or just because he was nuts.
   Charles Whitman was a catholic, yet how many people thought that his religion caused him to go nuts and shoot a couple of dozen people from a tower (also in Texas, naturally)?
8. By Guy. Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @05:37pm:

   Major Nidal Malik Hasan

   
   
   Sounds like a nice Christian name to me...
9. By Shel-tone. Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @06:02pm:

   There's the pitch by Hans to Guy... A swing and a miss!
10. By Guy. Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @06:11pm:

    No, it's kind of like this. Here's a quote from a story yesterday that I first saw on yahoo.com :
    
    

    Roland Emmerich has admitted that he feared a fatwa would be placed on him if he filmed a scrapped scene for 2012.
    
    The filmmaker is well known for decimating famed landmarks on movies including The Day After Tomorrow and Independence Day. He stated that while he decided to destroy the Christ the Redeemer statue in Rio de Janeiro because he is “against organised religion”, he was fearful of the Islamic religious decree for a sequence that was planned but not shot.
    
    The 53-year-old wanted to demolish the Kaaba, which is a cube-shaped building at the heart of Mecca and is the centre of prayers and the Islamic Hajj pilgrimage.
    
    He told Sci-Fi Wire: “Well, I wanted to do that, I have to admit. But my co-writer Harald said I will not have a fatwa on my head because of a movie. And he was right. We have to all in the Western world think about this.

11. By Guy. Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @06:13pm:

    The reason we fear Muslims is because, more than any other religious group, they are violent, and they will kill us you...
12. By . Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @06:15pm:

    So if one Christian goes berserk, I suppose we can consider it a religion of hatred and intolerace? Barack, get in the idiot line, right behind scot.

    
    Or how about if one military man goes berserk, we can consider the entire military to be gun-toting nut jobs?
    
    I find it most interesting that in the first stories there were at least two, possibly three, shooters, and now there's only one - the one with the Mideastern name. He alone killed 12 people and wounded 31 - all of whom were trained soldiers.
    
    I'd really, really like to know the names of the others they called "suspects" in earlier reports.
13. By . Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @06:16pm:

    The reason we fear Muslims is because we've been trained to.
14. By Barak. Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @06:31pm:

    Mary no one is training us to hate Muslims, Muslims just keep killing is by the hundreds causing us to dislike them.
15. By . Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @06:32pm:

    This guy Hasan was born and raised in the U.S. I'll bet he's one of them Christians.
16. By gdm IV. Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @06:47pm:

    So if one Christian goes berserk, I suppose we can consider it a religion of hatred and intolerace?

    
    No need for anyone to go berserk. Christianity is most certainly a religion of hatred and intolerance, no question about it.
    
    

    Barack, get in the idiot line, right behind scot.

    
    I think scot needs his own special line all to himself, but you're right -- this Barack commenter is definitely an idiot.
17. By Dog. Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @06:48pm:

    He was supposed to be shipped off to Iraq, but didn't want to go.
    The next best choice - martyrdom - a simple, easy exit, and a way to insure his righteousness in never-never-land.
18. By fancypants. Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @07:10pm:

    He's quoted as saying "Muslims should stand up against their aggressor". Muslim culture does endorse the use of violence to solve differences of opinions as is so often displayed...I believe you have recently posted some examples of this.
    This is such a shame. My heart goes out to those who were killed or injured.
19. By Dean Booth. Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @07:16pm:

    There's no such thing as a "religion of peace."
    
    I used to be willing to give Islam the benefit of the doubt until I read Infidel by Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the ex-Muslim who wrote the movie for which the Dutch director was murdered. Christianity has been tempered a bit by the Elightenment (and a lack of political power), but Islam is still in the Middle Ages.
20. By MrFred. Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @07:28pm:

    Current reports are the shooter - Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan is a Muslim (early reports had him as a recent convert but it is now being reported he's a life long Muslim)He is still alive and in custody, not dead as previously reported.
21. By Curtis. Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @07:31pm:

    Killings like this generate a LOT of misinformation in their immediate maelstrom - read Columbine by Dave Cullen for a supreme example.
    
    Maybe Islam played a part, maybe not - time will tell. Reading a name and drawing conclusions at this point says more about one's own fears than it does about the event and its perpetrator.
22. By Broccoli. Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @07:32pm:

    What's wrong with the trolls today!
23. By Doug. Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @07:34pm:

    Wow. Hasan is NOT dead.
    
    http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/05/texas.fort.hood.shootings/index.html
24. By . Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @07:41pm:

    Muslims just keep killing is by the hundreds causing us to dislike them.

    
    We invaded their country, Looney-Tunes.
    
    If they came into this country with the intention of taking it over militarily, how many do you think you'd kill?
    
    Hundreds, if you could, I'll bet.
25. By Fast Eddie. Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @07:43pm:

    I find it most interesting that in the first stories there were at least two, possibly three, shooters, and now there's only one - the one with the Mideastern name. He alone killed 12 people and wounded 31 - all of whom were trained soldiers.

    
    
    And he only had 2 handguns. Shooting 43 people, that happen to be trained soldiers, with only 2 handguns? Seems unlikely to me. If he was that type of marksman and could load his weapons that fast I don't think he would have been utilized as a doctor that had never been shipped abroad. These numbers don't add up
26. By . Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @07:54pm:

    Ahhh - someone else on my wavelength. Good.
27. By . Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @08:06pm:

    And he only had 2 handguns. Shooting 43 people, that happen to be trained soldiers, with only 2 handguns? Seems unlikely to me. If he was that type of marksman and could load his weapons that fast I don't think he would have been utilized as a doctor that had never been shipped abroad. These numbers don't add up

    
    
    Not that unlikely if you really think about it. Not everybody is armed all the time on a US military base. In fact I'd wager most people aren't. He was no doubt using semiauto handguns, probably 9mm with magazines that hold at least 8 or 9 rounds each. Those magazines can be dropped and replaced with fresh ones in seconds. If he had at least two spares per gun that would be 48 or 54 rounds he'd be capable of getting off just as fast as he could pull the trigger.
28. By Fast Eddie. Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @08:20pm:

    If he had at least two spares per gun that would be 48 or 54 rounds he'd be capable of getting off just as fast as he could pull the trigger.
    
    That's still a top notch pistol marksman. In order to lay down enough suppressive fire to keep from being charged, he could not have been aiming. This was a room full of people trained to act in this type of situation. Under the scenario you state, that is still unlikely to me.
29. By Dog. Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @08:22pm:

    You are correct Redwood, a few of these attached to your waist would expedite the unfortunate carnage.
    
30. By Gee.... Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @08:35pm:

    Hey, now, remember the FIRST rule of carrying on an online conversation:
    
    
    
    Go back to your cave "Barack" and leave the grown-ups to mourn the dead and try and figure out this tragedy.
31. By . Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @08:36pm:

    Under the scenario you state, that is still unlikely to me.

    
    
    A full fledged conspiracy with multiple mass murderers is more likely to you than one nut capable of reloading quickly? I'd reference Occam's razor here, but I guess he won't have much credibility here since his name is all Muslim-ey sounding and stuff.
32. By . Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @08:42pm:

    How can such intelligent people be so clueless?
33. By Fast Eddie. Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @08:46pm:

    I'm not saying it's a conspiracy and I'm not saying you are wrong. I just think that the initial reports seem sketchy and remarkable. If this guy is actually capable of this then he was underutilized in the military. I look forward to more details. I also don't appreciate being lumped in with the likes of Barack, simply because I find it unlikely that a guy shot 43 soldiers with 2 handguns. I would find it equally unlikely if his name were John Rambo. Here is another link to some instances that were unlikely but true. http://www.cracked.com/article_17019_5-real-life-soldiers-who-make-rambo-look-like-pussy.html
34. By Dog. Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @09:09pm:

    The wacko is not dead, not a martyr. A bunch of dead/injured Americans - what a loser - no celebrations for him I suppose.
    
    Should have went abroad and set off his suicide vest and killed his own innocent, including himself, as was planned here.
    
    Not a true American - couldn't go to his "homeland" and kill his own "blood".
35. By . Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @09:26pm:

    I'm saying exactly the same thing Fast Eddie's saying; don't pin your conspiracy crap on me, either. The initial reports said there were "multiple" shootings and 3 suspects, one of whom had been shot and killed. They also said there had been shootings at a theater on base and also at the Processing Center; now it seems it's just the Processing Center. Okay, fine - but there are enough weaknesses in what little information we have at this time to leave room for more possibilities - so we'll have to wait and see exactly what did happen. All of us will have to wait and see.
36. By Bisbonian. Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @10:25pm:

    My best friend since 1977 is married to a doctor that works in that building. No news yet.
37. By Bisbonian. Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @10:39pm:

    Well, I can't reach him, but his Facebook page mentions the incident with no mention of his wife...good news (at least for one family).
38. By Gee.... Comment posted 05-Nov-2009 @10:48pm:

    Ah, Bisbonian, that is good news.
39. By Mike L.. Comment posted 06-Nov-2009 @04:53am:

    The wacko is not dead
    
    ... yet
40. By . Comment posted 06-Nov-2009 @05:52am:

    Any speculation that this was a Guy Fawkes celebration gone horribly wrong?
    
    Oh wait, that was Catholics and Protestants killing each other hundreds of years ago over the idea of whether an imaginary man in the sky wanted us to drink wine *before* eating bread or *after* eating bread when we gather for our weekly celebration of our having nailed his son to a tree. I'm sure this war is completely reasonable.
41. By Mean Jean. Comment posted 06-Nov-2009 @06:52am:

    Just because one doesn't understand how something happened doesn't necessarily mean it is a conspiracy.
    
    Yeah, he was shooting into rooms full of soldiers. I'm willing to bet most soldiers on base aren't armed. Having never been a soldier or on a base I could be wrong.
    
    It will get muddier before it gets clearer.
42. By . Comment posted 06-Nov-2009 @06:55am:

    How easy is it to keeping shooting, using 2 handguns - assumingly using both hands AND re-load?
43. By L.Irker. Comment posted 06-Nov-2009 @08:03am:

    Another piece in the puzzle from MSNBC:Officials are not ruling out the possibility that some of the casualties may have been victims of "friendly fire," that in the mayhem and confusion at the shooting scene some of the responding military officials may have shot some of the victims.
44. By Bisbonian. Comment posted 06-Nov-2009 @08:24am:

    Gee... I finally heard from him this morning. His wife was at Yale on a fellowship, so completely out of the picture. Their youngest daughter was at the day care center on base, and was in a sort of lock-down until 7PM...so several hours after the shooting. They are all fine, but shaken up. Last line of his email says, "This is going to take a long time to deal with."
45. By . Comment posted 06-Nov-2009 @08:34am:

    Raghead. One in the whitehouse, thousands in the military, millions in your neighborhoods.
    
    Have a nice day.
46. By Bisbonian. Comment posted 06-Nov-2009 @08:44am:

    You too, son of scalp flake.
47. By Bisbonian. Comment posted 06-Nov-2009 @09:01am:

    To put things in a little perspective, this is from last May:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/11/baghdad-us-soldier-dead
48. By Mean Jean. Comment posted 06-Nov-2009 @09:04am:

    NPR had quotes from people who worked with the shooter at Walter Reed. Sounds to me like somebody should have blown the whistle on this man years ago.
49. By Bisbonian. Comment posted 06-Nov-2009 @09:06am:

    I can't find the name of the soldier in that incident. Must not have sounded muslim enough.
50. By Doug. Comment posted 06-Nov-2009 @10:02am:

    Orly Taitz blames Obama:
    
    

    IT’S LIKE GOD IS TELLING YOU:”PAY ATTENTION”. MY FIRST CASE ON BEHALF OF MY CLIENT CPT. CONNIE RHODES MD WAS FILED IN TX. JUDGE XAVIER RODRIGUEZ HAVE DISMISSED THE CASE WITHIN HOURS OF FILING, CALLING ADHERENCE TO THE OATH TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION “A FRIVOLOUS MATTER”
    Posted on | November 6, 2009 | No Comments
    massacare at Fort Hood, connection to my cases or how corrupt judges endanger the Nation

    
    
    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=5842
51. By wok. Comment posted 06-Nov-2009 @10:03am:

    Ah but did he or didn't he yell out "Allah Admiral Akbar."
52. By wok. Comment posted 06-Nov-2009 @10:05am:

    Orly Taitz is a Kook, who only represents Kooks, and you heard that from someone that's as mainstream politically as anybody.
53. By Shel-tone. Comment posted 06-Nov-2009 @10:23am:

    wok: "Ah but did he or didn't he yell out "Allah Admiral Akbar."
    
    Was this in response to another comment?
    
    Also: "Admiral Akbar"?
    Was he a big star wars fan or something?
54. By Bisbonian. Comment posted 06-Nov-2009 @10:30am:

    Whoever "he" was, I am pretty sure he did NOT yell out "Allah Admiral Akbar."
55. By Curtis. Comment posted 06-Nov-2009 @10:31am:

    Sounds like he is a mentally ill guy who is a Muslim, somebody who wanted to commit "suicide by cop" and was so depressed he was delusional.
    
    Nothing like the politically committed psychopath, Timothy McVeigh.
56. By wok. Comment posted 06-Nov-2009 @12:42pm:

    As long as we tell ourselves over and over, two things: that he was acting alone - and that this had NOTHING to do with his faith (that so-called religion of peace).
    
    LET'S.
57. By wok. Comment posted 06-Nov-2009 @09:02pm:

    Eye witnesses report that the mentally ill guy who is a Muslim that wanted to committ 'suicide by cop'? Well he did scream "Allahu Akbar." http://tinyurl.com/ye9ddjf
    ,
    OH! AND - an NPR link, even, about this guy - again, just 'a depressed Muslim,' for all we know:
    
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120162816
    
    "But he seemed almost belligerent about being Muslim, and he gave a lecture one day that really freaked a lot of doctors out. They have grand rounds, right? They, you know, dozens of medical staff come into an auditorium, and somebody stands at the podium at the front and gives a lecture about some academic issue, you know, what drugs to prescribe for what condition. But instead of that, he - Hasan apparently gave a long lecture on the Koran and talked about how if you don't believe, you are condemned to hell. Your head is cut off. You're set on fire. Burning oil is burned down your throat."
58. By Bisbonian. Comment posted 06-Nov-2009 @09:16pm:

    wok, listen carefully.
    
    There was never any question whether he screamed "Allahu Akbar".
    
    

    wok: Ah but did he or didn't he yell out "Allah Admiral Akbar."

    
    
    I highlighted the word "Admiral" for your convenience.
    
    

    Bisbonian: Whoever "he" was, I am pretty sure he did NOT yell out "Allah Admiral Akbar."

59. By wok. Comment posted 06-Nov-2009 @09:19pm:

    Also carefully: that was an attempt at humor, something some folks do in times of bizarre, awful moments.
    
    I'll work on bringing the jokes up to par.
60. By Bisbonian. Comment posted 06-Nov-2009 @11:15pm:

    Another shooting today, in Orlando. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/os-shooting-reported-downtown-orlando-20091106,0,7958763.story
    The shooter's name was Jason Rodriguez. Eyewitness accounts confirm that he didn't yell "Allah Admiral Akbar" either.
61. By . Comment posted 07-Nov-2009 @07:41pm:

    A couple of new points re the shootings:
    
    Hasan has been openly verbal on many occasions and in front of groups of his peers about how much he disapproves of the war - at the same time that he's a Major in the US Army. No one's bothered to do anything about this.
    
    He's also well known for quoting the Koran as the answer to all sorts of problems - and for giving away copies of the Koran to anyone and everyone, whether they wanted a copy or not.
    
    Those two facts alone make the Army somewhat culpable, since it would be hard to come up with a more in-your-face, actually treasonous behavior than what they've allowed to continue here.
    
    One spokesman for the Army - I don't know who he was, but he was in a dress uniform, not camo - said the Army has a very hard time getting psychiatrists and they need every one they can get; he also pointed out that the Army paid for this man's medical education and so he owed the Army a time of service.
    
    Very sad.
62. By J Smart. Comment posted 07-Nov-2009 @10:00pm:

    So Mary, you're his commanding officer. You've been in the ranks 20 years.
    
    You're going to be politically incorrect and speak out against a Muslim Soldier.
    
    Yeah. RIght.
    
    And get the ACLU all up in your panties?
    
    I think not.
63. By gdm IV. Comment posted 07-Nov-2009 @10:12pm:

    And get the ACLU all up in your panties?

    
    If a commanding officer with 20 years experience is afraid of the ACLU then he's worthless. What a dumb thing to say.
64. By . Comment posted 07-Nov-2009 @10:13pm:

    Well then, you carry a large part of the responsibility for what happened when he flipped out - which, in this case, includes the deaths of many of your own soldiers.
    
    Nice try at trying to pass the buck to the ACLU, BTW; too bad there's such a wide gap between being "politically correct" and mowing down a room full of innocent people because you're mentally unstable and need help.
    
    There are over 4,000 Muslims currently serving in our military according to one of the "expert" pundits - I doubt that they're all handled with kid gloves because the military is afraid of the ACLU.
    
    Give it up - it won't wash.
65. By Shel-tone. Comment posted 10-Nov-2009 @11:18am:

    1. The Westboro Church morons are "protesting" the memorial service in Fort Hood today. They are seriously setting off some people.
    2. I'm really nervous about Obama coming to Fort Hood today. There are some Texans that are all out nut hateful of him.
    I'm buckling my seat belt, and I'm sitting at my desk at work. Holy Moly folks. Seriously.
66. By Shel-tone. Comment posted 10-Nov-2009 @11:26am:

    I just read that members from the killers Mosque are going to attend the memorial service as well.
    Man I hope they can pull all this off without incident.

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