Thursday, 08 May, 2008
Changes At Whole Wheat Radio
So I come back from my trip, turn on the music stream for Whole Wheat Radio, and click my bookmark for the chat page. It's gone! Instead, I'm redirected to the What's Playing page.
Apparently, Jim go fed up with trolls and axed the chat room. In its place is current topics. It's like a blog comment page -- only much more difficult to use (you need to know how to edit a Wiki page). I'll miss the chat, even though I rarely participated in the past year or so. But I checked it frequently, just to see what was going on. I guess the new setup will work, but it's just not the same.
The new Privacy Policy page hints at some of the problems he's been having.
Here's an example of how your actions on this site could be used 'against' you. If you were to harass people who use this site, including the operators, and continued to harass them or threaten them or continue to attempt accessing this system after being 1) warned to stop and/or 2) locked out of the system on a permanent basis ... we can (and would) use the harassment or threats you left, along with any other incriminating information about your online behavior on this site or any public site, to do whatever was necessary to get you to stop.
This could include providing the information to your employer, your family or law enforcement. Using IP spoofing methods after being denied access to the system is harassment and is a clear case of attempting to gain access when you are no longer welcome.
I can certainly sympathize with Jim. Unfortunately, the Web is just teeming with idiots who spend their time trying to disrupt other sites.
- Reader Comments -
Following are comments in response to this item.
The most recent comment is at the bottom.
- By Theeye. Comment posted 08-May-2008 @10:09am:This could include providing the information to your employer, your family or law enforcement.
Assuming you could prove who was behind 'spoofing' or 'online harassment', such tactics as he's describing seem tailor-made for a defamation lawsuit. Tread lightly in that area. - By Bisbonian. Comment posted 08-May-2008 @10:37am:I haven't been to the chat for a while (I was a daily visitor for at least three years.) Just not fun any more. Looks like WWR has morphed right out of my life.
- By . Comment posted 08-May-2008 @10:53am:Well, the music is still good. I guess I just miss the old "12x12 cabin" days. It just seems way to complicated now. But listener numbers seem to be higher than ever, so I guess he's on the right track.
- By Bisbonian. Comment posted 08-May-2008 @11:22am:I guess, if numbers are the important thing.
- By Curtis. Comment posted 08-May-2008 @12:44pm:Too bad. I had no idea this was happening to WWR. I accused Jim of being a prima donna over at Steel White Table in an inept attempt at a joke - sorry, Jim, didn't really mean it.
I guess Frank was right when he sang, "Some people get their kicks,
stompin' on a dream." Schmucks with keyboards.
PS - I just realized that this phrase "in an inept attempt" is weird as hell and pretty much impossible to say out loud. - By JoeV. Comment posted 08-May-2008 @01:10pm:Glad that never happens here.
- By Esther. Comment posted 08-May-2008 @01:29pm:Hi y'all - The chat is just gone temporarily. Please be patient with a guy who has worked his ass off full-time (as a volunteer) for 5 1/2 years and just can't digest criticism and complaints about what he sees are positive changes. If you download and listen to this on-air discussion, you might get what he's been thinking. http://www.wholewheatradio.org/audmag01/Please%20Download%20A%20Serious%20Interview%20With%20Esther%20And%20Jim%20About%20Wwr%20-%202008_05_06.mp3
The plan is to develop a "council of elders" who can field resistance to changes that Jim implements on the site so that he can keep his motivation level high enough to continue the project at all... Once Jim knows he has a group that can deal with concerns and complaints, he still does (as far as I know) plan to re-implement the chat.
I think the bigger point is: he just wants to find a way to keep WWR going in a sustainable way, with a sense of vision, collaboration, AND fun for all involved. I hope he can. - By . Comment posted 08-May-2008 @02:00pm:Council of elders, eh? Here are some volunteers:
- By Toad. Comment posted 08-May-2008 @02:30pm:I recommend using Mormon elders. They're young, well-groomed, and willing to travel (especially to god-forsaken places like Alaska). I think they're pretty good at taking orders, too, so long as the person giving the orders wears the right kind of underwear. "Hard-working" also describes them to a tee. Mrs. Toad answered the door yesterday afternoon, thinking it was a neighbor, and got ambushed by a couple of young elders. They offer to weed the lawn and clean the gutters, which made me look pretty bad in comparison. Thanks, guys!
I also think Mormon elders would fit in pretty well with the Whole Wheat Radio crowd. Jim's got a lot of music in rotation that would really resonate with them. - By Volt. Comment posted 08-May-2008 @02:54pm:Everyone's a critic. Especially people who don't accomplish anything themselves, they don't realize how hard it is to really create.
Jim should just ignore the critics and just eyeball the feedback in case someone says something he can use.
Beware of "councils." Some things need to be "of one mind."
Just for practice, let me say that I think WWR music sucks and Jim can ignore me. - By . Comment posted 08-May-2008 @04:14pm:Volt,I tend to disagree with you,the music is awesome.I met Jim in November at the palace,to see Antje Duvekot perform at a live cabin concert.As I left we hugged each other,saying we were glad we met.A week or so later he banned me because I suggested he needed time off as I thought he was losing his mind.I still have a lot of friends from there and they say the new format sucks,I respect the guy for working his tail off and hope it works out for him and Esther.Esther is very cool by the way,and she is a big part of the overall picture.This is my opinion.....Best of luck,WWR.
- By . Comment posted 08-May-2008 @04:31pm:So THAT'S why you were banned.
- By Volt. Comment posted 08-May-2008 @05:28pm:Klaw,
I may not like the music, not my style, but I really respect what he does. This is how I hope music is propogated in the future. The day of the record companies is long gone. - By . Comment posted 08-May-2008 @05:33pm:By Volt:
The day of the record companies is long gone.
AMEN to that, brother! - By . Comment posted 08-May-2008 @05:36pm:I highly recommend Radio Paradise,that is where I gather all of my music and send my money.
- By Dinsdale Piranha. Comment posted 08-May-2008 @06:10pm:Thumbs up on Radio Paradise thats a great station.
- By Curtis. Comment posted 08-May-2008 @06:26pm:@ KLAW - dude, you're a pretty freaky freak yourself, not purple tights-wearin' freaky but plenty mainline weird, no?
This here's the bozo bus is it not?
J-Walk - step-up and ban brother man. Admit it, you've come THIS close... to, ah, banningmeKLAW. - By . Comment posted 08-May-2008 @06:30pm:Hey DP,Rickhap turned me onto R.P.,he is a legend in his own time!
- By . Comment posted 08-May-2008 @06:35pm:Curtis,you seem to know quite a bit about me without meeting me,what is up with that?
- By Dinsdale Piranha. Comment posted 08-May-2008 @06:44pm:Legend indeed Duly Bookmarked...
I'm also in the running for their free trip to Costa Rica, hope I come up large on that play.
Grazi - By FishTaxi. Comment posted 08-May-2008 @06:54pm:@Curtis - I was with KLAW at the Antje concert and he is by no means weird or freaky. He is a genuine nice man who contributed a lot to the old Whole Wheat Radio. KLAW is one of my very best friends and I thank WWR for giving us the opportunity to meet.
PS- perhaps you should be banned for dissing KLAW! - By Curtis. Comment posted 08-May-2008 @07:39pm:I wasn't dissng KLAW, that was supposed to be funny and, you know, affectionate insultation based on his blog commenter persona.
I still say he's weird and freaky. You guys got a problem with weird and freaky?
Say it agin and I'll bust yo jeep.
How humiliatin'. - By FishTaxi. Comment posted 08-May-2008 @08:37pm:Just kidding Curtis, like KLAW used to say in chat.
PS-I drive a toy.
tff - By Rance. Comment posted 08-May-2008 @09:42pm:I was only a lurker in the chat thingy. I never saw any trolls in the short times I stopped in. But their out there man. I deal with them on a daily basis on the forums I moderate. Is there any way he can ban IP's at WWR? So when these slime suckers start their BS he can just ban the IP and they can never return via that provider?
It's a bummer deal because I know Jim works dang hard to make WWR work.
Matter of fact I need to stop in and check on the next in house concert. I had to miss the Antje Duvekot concert and now I'm even more piss'd because I could have met KLAW and FishTaxi. Not to mention that Antje looked pretty cute on her poster.
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